{"id":49044,"date":"2022-10-18T16:30:15","date_gmt":"2022-10-18T14:30:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/?p=49044"},"modified":"2022-10-18T16:48:10","modified_gmt":"2022-10-18T14:48:10","slug":"interview-maman-kusters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/en\/interview-maman-kusters\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Maman K\u00fcsters"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Maman K\u00fcsters, as they prove in this interview, are one of the most personal bands in the EBM scene. With only two albums released in the excellent label Unknown Pleasures, they managed to give another turn of the screw to a style, sometimes a bit conservative, as Electronic Body Music. It&#8217;s one of the bands that we want to see the most at the<\/span><\/strong><strong><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"> Ombra Festival that will take place in Barcelona between the 24th and 27th of November. Maman K\u00fcsters will take us to heaven.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong><em><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-49132\" src=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk2-215x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"470\" height=\"657\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk2-215x300.jpg 215w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk2-732x1024.jpg 732w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk2-768x1074.jpg 768w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk2-585x818.jpg 585w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk2.jpg 776w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/><\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014The name of the band comes from &#8220;Mother Kusters Goes to Heaven&#8221;, a movie by Fassbinder. Why did you choose such a name for the band? Did you share some of the values of the movie or it was just because you liked how it sounded?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><em><strong>\u2014<\/strong><\/em><strong>Cyril:<\/strong> Our group name comes from the fact that the Arte channel had shown &#8220;Mother Kusters Goes to Heaven&#8221; the day before. If we had watched France 3 we would have been called &#8220;Le petit baigneur&#8221; or &#8220;Pink Panther&#8221;, I don\u2019t know&#8230; You don&#8217;t have to look any further than that. Of course, everyone will agree that it&#8217;s a band name that sounds!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl, you organized Douches \u00e9lectriques (pluri-artistic events where you mixed electronic, dance and installations). Have these events been an influence for the creation of the band?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><em><strong>\u2014<\/strong><\/em><strong>Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> Yes, these events where a large playground and we tried a lot of musical ideas at this time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014The band already started in 2004, right? But you did not release anything until 2011. How were the first years of the band?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril<\/strong>: The years were filled with 365 days, except if there was a leap year! C\u2019\u00e9tait de belles ann\u00e9es.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> We tried to find a label at that time, but we were unlucky, we continued to record and had a lot of fun writing tracks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014I guess that both of you have a strong relation with Christophe Mevel as Cyril has worked with him in a couple of projects and you Ga\u00ebl in other two, Dale Cooper Quartet and Tank. How was born this collaboration? Was he part of the band at the beginning? At least he played in some songs of the first album.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Gael:<\/strong> Yes, we have known Christophe for a very long time. The first tracks of <strong>MK<\/strong> where him and Cyril singing and me at the machines.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014What did you find interesting in EBM as a way of communicating your ideas?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> <strong>Maman K\u00fcsters<\/strong> does EBM. All musical styles are interesting. No idea to communicate<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> It was very natural for us to write EBM songs; it was our shared ground of music style.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014And what artists have influenced your sound? I always read mentions to DAF and Liaisons Dangereuses and the Neu Deutsch Welle.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> Yes, of course. These are very big influences, we have a lot of respect for their music and the way they did music at that time without computers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014How was your experience of going to the studio for the first time to record your first EP, <\/strong><em><strong>L\u2019Alpiniste<\/strong><\/em><strong>? Did you already have clear ideas of how you wanted Maman K\u00fcsters\u00a0to sound?<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-49135\" src=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk3-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"470\" height=\"470\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk3-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk3-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk3-585x585.jpg 585w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk3.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> We both had ice axes and carabiners, and shoes with crampons. Ga\u00ebl had a warm hat and so did I. We couldn&#8217;t get cold. There was an echo in the mountain. It was very very very.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> Cyril brings lyrics, and we test them on tracks I already have, most of the time we replace the music later. Lyrics pushes us in new music ways, there\u2019re no plans, and no clear ideas at first.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014How did you meet Pedro Pe\u00f1as Robles, the boss of Unknown Pleasures? How important has been his contribution to the music of Maman K\u00fcsters? He also sang in a few of your tracks, right?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> I work as a synth\/pedal manufacturer, and I had to repair a Module for the great <strong>Terence Fixmer<\/strong>, I sent him some of our tracks and he forwarded them to Pedro\u2026 Thanks again <strong>Terence<\/strong>! \ud83d\ude42 I had the pleasure to meet <strong>Terence<\/strong> IRL last spring.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Yes, Pedro makes some voices appearance! And Franck Kartell helps us sometimes with his electro music too.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014What are your inspirations for the lyrics? In a critic I saw comparisons with Gainsbourg and Bashung. Which authors have inspired you?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> The texts come as I go along, I don&#8217;t think too much about it, but of course there are inspirations, movies, literature etc. From <strong>Gainsbourg<\/strong> and <strong>Bashung<\/strong> to Richard Brautigan, all the great Chinese and Japanese poets or writers).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril, you have said that one of the goals of the lyrics is to make laugh. Do you use humor as a way to scape the difficulty of reality?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> Why would you want to run away from life&#8217;s difficulties? How could you? There is nothing to run away from. Life is difficult and life is beautiful, that\u2019s all. I am not a nihilist. As for humor, a Japanese proverb says that &#8220;The time of a life is the same, whether it is spent crying or laughing&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Dadaism has been quite popular in pop music, from Cabaret Voltaire to Tom Waits. According to you, why this art movement is still so relevant today?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> I have no idea of what is relevant or not.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-49139\" src=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk4-300x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"470\" height=\"470\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk4-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk4-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk4-585x585.jpg 585w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk4.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/>\u2014<\/strong><em><strong>Sous la Peau de Maman K\u00fcsters<\/strong><\/em><strong>\u00a0was your first album released in 2016 with really good critics. In the album you have new and old songs. Was it difficult to give it a certain cohesion?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> Not at all, cohesion is made by Cyril&#8217;s lyrics, voice and word flow.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014What can you please tell us about Cherche Querelle? Was it just a remix album?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong>\u00a0It was kind of a LP vinyl version of our tracks with some edited tracks on French label (our friends Christophe Mevel and Reno from Bad Seeds Recordings.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014And about the title, being from Brest, is it a joke with the Fassbinder movie\/book by Jean Genet?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> Yes, a joke, nothing more once again.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> Yes, great director, great movie, great city!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Your albums have songs in French and German. How do you choose the language for a song?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril<\/strong>: I don\u2019t know. The language imposes itself. French, German, Italian, Japanese&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014In your albums, we can always find new versions of old songs. Do you like to see of your compositions as work-in-progress instead of something completely finished?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t think we think in any other way than &#8220;Let&#8217;s do this because we feel like it and we enjoy it&#8221;. There is no plan or idea. It&#8217;s very light entertainment.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong>\u00a0Some are definitely finished; some are evolving with our mood of the time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014In<\/strong><em><strong> L\u2019Extase Et La Terreu<\/strong><\/em><strong>r you worked with Julia Bondar. Why did you choose her? Because you were on the same label?<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-49143\" src=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk5-257x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"470\" height=\"549\" srcset=\"https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk5-257x300.jpg 257w, https:\/\/elgarajedefrank.es\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/mamamk5.jpg 514w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 470px) 100vw, 470px\" \/><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s quite the opposite :), I&#8217;ve known <strong>Julia<\/strong> from a long time, I did some mixing and mastering for her debut album (<em>In my neighbourhood<\/em>) and I still do. I sent some of her tracks to Pedro and he wanted to sign her for a LP on Unknown Pleasure Records.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014We are also going to see Chris Shape at Ombra Festival. What do you think of the remix he did for the album? Do you also like his solo work?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> The remix was nice; I don&#8217;t know his solo work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl::<\/strong> Yes, we like it a lot! It was a very great remix, love his solo work also.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril, with your project HF90, you have done a couple of covers of Etienne Daho and the duo has considered him an influence. What does he add to your sound? The Chanson part?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> Christophe Mevel and I appreciate the music and the words of <strong>Etienne Daho<\/strong>. <strong>HF90<\/strong> is a bit like <strong>Maman K\u00fcsters<\/strong>, some of the songs go back so far in time that I don&#8217;t know what to say to some of the questions -As you can see from my answer just now!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl\u00a0you have your own mark of pedals, Touellskouarn. Can you please tell us more about this? You create your own pedals, right?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl: <\/strong>Yes, I\u2019m making modular synths and pedals, at first it was for my own use, but now I enjoy listening to what music some artists make with my instruments.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014We have been talking about the lyrics but you Cyril has also written a novel D\u00e9marre la jeep, and a compilation of writings called BernaStrasse, Adoncques ainsi rouler skate. What can you please tell our readers about this?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> &#8220;D\u00e9marre la jeep &#8221; is made of sentences that respond to each other until forming a story, we could say that it is under the influence of &#8220;Tawara Machi \/ Richard Brautigan&#8221;. \u2018\u2019Bernastrasse adoncques ainsi rouler skate&#8221; is still poetry, a kind of postcards of vacations. As well as &#8221;Vide Ador\u00e9 1&#8221; and &#8221;vide ador\u00e9 2&#8221; as a conclusion&#8230; a bit like a poetic trilogy&#8230; All this can be found at \u2018\u2019 Qazaq editions\u2019\u2019 on the site &#8220;Les cosaques des fronti\u00e8res\u2019&#8221; de Yan Kouton&#8230; There is nothing more to say or special to say about it, if people read them and they like it or, if it makes them smile, it\u2019s so much the better. I don&#8217;t really care about music and writing, it&#8217;s nice but it&#8217;s not the centre of life.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril, with your AKA\u00a0B Strasse 1, you have released more ambient work, also with\u00a0Pan &amp; Me. What do you like of ambient. For the people who only know the music of Maman K\u00fcsters, it\u2019s quite strange to imagine both of you doing ambient music.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> Ga\u00ebl and I have always enjoyed ambient music. From <strong>Brian Eno<\/strong> to <strong>Hiroshi Yoshimura<\/strong>, talking about me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Also, Ga\u00ebl\u00a0is into Ambient with his AKAs Moregeometrico and Noroeste. What can you tell us of these two projects?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong>\u00a0These are my solo ambient\/experiment projects, from long ago, I still love to play and record ambient stuff.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl, you are also part of the Dale Cooper Quartet, quite an interesting project that mixes drone, dark ambient, jazz. How would you describe your contribution to this band?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> In fact, this is a quartet (Christophe Level, Yannick Martin, Krystian Sarreau and I) that is mostly the work of 3 people. We all compose, we all play all instruments, and we mix together. It&#8217;s a collective band with no head.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Although I bought and enjoyed the album, I did not know that MonoB vs NoroE were you, Ga\u00ebl\u00a0and film director Marc Caro. What can you please tell us of this project and the album?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">\u2014<strong>Ga\u00ebl<\/strong>: Marc and I are experimental music enthusiasts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\">We met some years ago and almost decide instantly to make music together. We made several concerts, and we\u2019re working on a new album. He is a very great Movie director and sound maker, I\u2019m very pleased to make distorted music with him.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014What can we expect of Maman K\u00fcsters in the future?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Cyril:<\/strong> French toast recipe&#8230; we never put a recipe in the lyrics in our EBM, it could be great. What to expect? Silly words to silly music&#8230; and smiles on faces.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl:<\/strong> We still enjoy making new songs together with Cyril, and we will still continue as far as we enjoy it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014What can we expect of your concert at Ombra? Is Pedro going to sing with you?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>\u2014Ga\u00ebl: <\/strong>The concert will be mostly Instrumental as Cyril is not coming. Pedro will join me on stage for 2\/3 tracks with spoken words. 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